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Exposing the immorality of christianity and their fictional jesus


Christians claim that their fictional jesus was the prince of peace with a message of love, kindness, mercy, humility, forgiveness, acceptance and tolerance.

The truth is that this is only true if you bow down to their imaginary dictator they call jesus. If you don’t comply, than you get eternal damnation.

Christianity is about loving people who subscribe to your specific sect of christianity.

Many christians believe that 70-75% of the world (non-christians) will be going to hell to be burned and tortured for eternity?
Is that moral?

There are millions of murders by god in the old testament but in the new testament, their jesus tortures billions for eternity which is worse than any death. The NT is far more evil than the OT.

Christianity is about control, power and obtaining massive wealth. They use shame, guilt, indoctrination and fear with their fictional hell, devil, and tribulation.

CONSIDER THE FEARFUL PICTURE THAT FICTIONAL JESUS PAINTED OF HELL!

Matthew 13:42

“40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.

41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.“  ~Jesus

Matthew 25:30

“And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.~Jesus

Matthew 25:41

“Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels: …”  ~Jesus

Matthew 25:46

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” ~Jesus

Matthew 5:22

“But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of HELL FIRE. ” ~Jesus

Matthew 18:7-9

7 “Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.”  ~Jesus

Matthew 13:49-50

49 “This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous

50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” ~Jesus

Matthew 8:12

“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” ~Jesus




Mark 9:42-49

42 “And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.” ~Jesus

In Luke 16:19-31, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:

The Rich Man and Lazarus

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.

20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores

21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.

23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.

26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house,

28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”also come into this place of torment.


 

Jude 1:7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

Revelation 20:15

” And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.”

Revelation 14:10 KJV

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 14:10-12 NIV

10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Revelation 21:8

”But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with FIRE and BRMISTONE: which is the second death.

~The bible “claims” that the damned will experience…

weeping (Matthew 8:12),

wailing (Matthew 13:42),

gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:50),

darkness (Matthew 25:30),

flames (Luke 16:24),

burning (Isaiah 33:14),

torments (Luke 16:23),

everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46)

everlasting fire - Matthew18:8, 25:41

everlasting chains - Jude 1:6

everlasting destruction - 2 Thessalonians 1:9

eternal damnation - Mark 3:29

eternal judgment - Hebrews 6:2

eternal fire - Jude 1:7

unquenchable fire - Matthew 3:12

the fire that never shall be quenched - Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48

fire unquenchable - Luke 3:17

shame and everlasting contempt - Daniel 12:2

mist of darkness is reserved for ever - 2 Peter 2:17

the blackness of darkness for ever - Jude 1:13

The “claimed” suffering in Hell will be beyond anything humanly imaginable! 

How can loving jesus send people to suffer torment in eternal hell fire?

~Why would god create lucifer, evil, sin, and hell? 

Here are the 3 bible passages to prove it: 

“For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.” ~Colossians 1:16 

“and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.” ~Ephesians 3:9  

“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” ~Isaiah 45:7 

Did god create these things to make himself out to be good and great? 

So who is ultimately responsible for sin, immoralness, and evil in the world? Religious people swear up and down that humans are at fault. It is a major reason to be religious and to beg and grovel for forgiveness for being imperfect and human; as they claim god made us.

~Why does the bible claim that evil comes from and is sent from god?

See 4 examples:

2 Samuel 12:11 (NAV) - “Thus says the LORD, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.

1 Kings 14:10 (KJ) - Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone. 

I Samuel 16:23 - ”And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.” 

I Samuel 19:9 - ”And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.”

~Christians claim that god does not interfere with our free-will but when he created satan, why did he give satan the power to interfere with our free-will?

2 Corinthians 4:4 - “The god of this age (satan) has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” 


~I love the “true” Christians versus “non-true” Christians strategy. See “no true Scotsman fallacy”. If you want to go that route, then you have to believe all the hate and evil that fictional Jesus spoke, or else you’re denying him. According to Jesus, all unbelivers burn forever. Do you get that? No matter how good you are, you are TORTURED FOREVER for unbelief. You can rape and murder children, yet be forgiven…but you will NEVER be forgiven for “blasphemy”. Where is the morality in that?

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Exposing the immorality of christianity and their fictional jesus



Christians claim that their fictional jesus was the prince of peace with a message of love, kindness, mercy, humility, forgiveness, acceptance and tolerance.

 

The truth is that this is only true if you bow down to the dictator jesus. If not, then eternal damnation.

 

Christianity is about loving people who subscribe to your specific sect of christianity.

Many christians believe that 70-75% of the world (non-christians) will be going to hell to be burned and tortured for eternity?
Is that moral?

 

CONSIDER THE FEARFUL PICTURE THAT FICTIONAL JESUS PAINTED OF HELL!












 









 




Torture, Affliction, Agony, Anguish, Misery, Suffering, and Torment in the Bible

~Sometimes you just need to beat people for their own good.

The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly. Proverbs 20:30

~Some people should be beaten as as a punishment for their crimes.

And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten. Deuteronomy 25:2


~It’s always a good idea to beat fools. Beat them whenever you find them.

A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. Proverbs 18:6

Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools. Proverbs 19:29

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back. Proverbs 26:3

~And slaves may be beaten, as long they survive for at least a day or two after the beating.

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Exodus 21:20-21

~Beating your children is a sure sign of parental love.

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 13:24

~And don’t stop just because they cry.

Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Proverbs 19:18

~Beating your children will make them less foolish.

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Proverbs 22:15

The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. Proverbs 29:15


~So beat them hard and often. Don’t worry about hurting them. You may break a few bones and cause some brain damage, but it isn’t going to kill them. And even if it does, they’ll be better off. They’ll thank you in heaven for beating the hell out of them.

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14

~At times, Jesus seemed to look favorably on torture. In his parables, for example, Jesus often spoke of torturing his enemies.

And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors. Matthew 18:34

And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matthew 22:12-13

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24:50-51

The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:46-48


~The devils expected Jesus to torture them. (And Jesus didn’t deny that he planned to do so.)

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Matthew 8:29

Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mark 5:7

What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. Luke 8:28

~God uses a rod to beat those who disobey his commandments.

If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.Psalm 89:31-2

~At the end of the world, God will torture people until they want to die. But he will not let them die so that he can continue to torture them.

And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Revelation 9:5-6


~But the ultimate use of torture, a torture a greater than which can not be conceived, is hell.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42

If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. Matthew 18:8-9

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.Matthew 25:41

…hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:43-48

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luke 16:22-24

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever. Revelation 14:10-11




What the Bible says about Torture

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The extreme low standards of the voters of Time Magazine’s “The 2012 TIME 100”, making Cardinal Timothy Dolan #1

The 100 Most Influential People in the World

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2111975_2111976_2111989,00.html

Dolan became Archbishop of Milwaukee after Archbishop Weakland was discovered having an unspecified encounter with a younger male and paid out $450,000 to avoid a significant lawsuit. Dolan’s reception in Milwaukee got a lift from the scandal, the notion being, we can celebrate this new one, and cover up whatever the last one did (Weakland apparently stole that $450,000 from the Church).

As Archbishop of Milwaukee, Timothy Dolan successfully fought proposed legislation that would have lifted the statute of limitations for the prosecution of child rape crimes. New York legislators have proposed lifting the statute of limitations on child rape. But a staffer for Senator Thomas Duane told me that if I thought Dolan fought hard against marriage equality, I should know that that is nothing compared to how hard he fights against lifting the statute of limitations for the prosecution of child rapes.

There are accusations of fiscal impropriety and laxity in the context of sexual abuse cases in the Diocese of Milwaukee where Dolan served as archbishop between 2002 and 2009.

~Milwaukee Church Sexual Abuse

Milwaukee Archdiocese faces 550 sex abuse claims

MILWAUKEE - About 550 people are asking for restitution for alleged sexual abuse by clergy in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee — more than in any of the other U.S. dioceses that have filed for bankruptcy protection, according to a lawyer involved in the Milwaukee case.

The Milwaukee Archdiocese filed for bankruptcy protection last year, saying pending sex-abuse lawsuits could leave it with debts it couldn’t afford.

The archdiocese has paid more than $30 million in settlements and other court costs related to allegations of clergy abuse and more than a dozen suits against it have been halted because of the bankruptcy proceedings. One priest alone is accused of abusing some 200 boys at a suburban school for deaf students from 1950 to 1974.

James Stang, a bankruptcy lawyer who represents creditors in the Wisconsin case, estimated that about 550 claims had been filed by the Wednesday afternoon deadline set by the bankruptcy court.

Those who filed claims will end up splitting a settlement amount that will be determined by the creditors’ committee, archdiocese and its insurance company. The archdiocese had only $4.6 million in assets to be applied to claims in 2010.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57370183/milwaukee-archdiocese-faces-550-sex-abuse-claims/

8,000 new instances of child sexual abuse alleged in Milwaukee Archdiocese

The bankruptcy hearings for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee have revealed more than 8,000 previously unreported instances of alleged sexual abuse of children, according to one attorney representing the victims. The charges cover a span of 60 years and implicate a group of 100 alleged offenders, including nuns, church workers and some 75 priests.

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter Annysa Johnson writes that 570 “victim-survivors” have filed claims in the case, which is currently before U.S. bankruptcy judge Susan V. Kelley.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/10/8000-new-instances-of-child-sexual-abuse-alleged-in-milwaukee-archdiocese/

800 pages of Documents released Thursday detailed a Catholic Church cover-up of a sexually abusive Milwaukee priest.

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Many believe Dolan did not do enough in the wake of the scandal, of being slow to make documentation available to court officers, of releasing the name of a clerical abuse victim who had confided in him — without that victim’s consent — and of failing to make public the names of some offending priests. Dolan is also accused of moving money around in order to prevent it from being seized by the courts in sexual assault and child rape cases.

At least in part, for successfully shielding Catholic Church resources against claims from Church sex abuse victims, Archbishop Dolan has been “elevated” to Cardinal.

Archdiocese accused of moving funds.

It says $75 million transfer is not an effort to shield assets.

An attorney for victims of clergy sex abuse suggested Friday that the Archdiocese of Milwaukee moved as much as $75 million off its books over the last six years in an effort to shield it from sex abuse settlements - allegations denied by the archdiocese.

Attorney Jeffrey Anderson of St. Paul implied the archdiocese engaged in a shell game during a bankruptcy hearing before Assistant U.S. Trustee David Asbach.

Anderson questioned archdiocese chief financial officer John Marek about the whereabouts of a $75 million account that last appeared on the archdiocese’s audited annual financial statements in 2003-‘04. And he questioned the transfer of a separate $55 million into a newly created cemetery trust in 2008, a year after the Wisconsin Supreme Court opened the door for victims to sue the archdiocese for fraud.

Marek, who was hired by the archdiocese in 2007, could not answer questions about the $75 million. He said the cemetery funds had previously been in an account under the control of the archbishop but had always been “treated as a trust.”

“We have serious questions about what we’ve seen and heard today,” Anderson said after the hearing at the federal courthouse. He vowed to depose current and past bishops, including New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, in an effort to get answers.

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NY Archbishop Calls ‘Ludicrous’ Claims His Ex-Diocese Hid Money

Lawyer claims Milwaukee church hid millions from sex abuse claimants

New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan blasted as “ludicrous” an attorney’s claim that his former diocese in Milwaukee moved $130 million to avoid paying sex abuse settlements.

Dolan had run the Milwaukee Archdiocese for seven years before becoming the leader of New York’s two million Catholics in 2009.

“To think there was $130 million in hidden funds, like Dolan’s got some off-shore account in the Cayman Islands or something,” Dolan said after mass Sunday at St. Patrick’s Cathedral.  ”This is just ludicrous. But I’m also saddened because darn it, I think the archdiocese has done a good job, and Lord knows, I worked my hardest.”

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Archbishop Dolan Bashes Church Rape Victims

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/archbishop-dolan-bashes-church-rape-victims/news/2012/01/09/32869

Victims Of Pedophile Priests Are “Pitiful Malcontents” Says Catholic League

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In 2011, Dolan thanked Bill Donohue for a press release, reproduced on the Archdiocese of New York website, in which Donahue referred to the non-profit support group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests a “phony victims’ group”.

As an auxiliary Roman Catholic bishop, Dolan was criticized for his handling of Roman Catholic priests accused of sexual misconduct, accused of being on a “witch hunt” to dismiss abusive priests.

Dolan testified in Senate to block legislation that would temporarily extend the grace period for adults filing child sexual assault charges against priests. 

Timothy Dolan: God’s “Beabull”

http://www.indietheology.com/2012/02/timothy-dolan-gods-beabull.html

On the Archbishop’s Blog with a photo of Dolan smiling, and a headline of “Gratitude to the Catholic League” — Dolan published a press release from the Catholic League’s notorious political gay basher Bill Donahue.

Donahue wrote that the apparent victim had reported to work three days after as the abuse was occurring and now says that she was abused.  He repeats the pattern several times, to emphasize his point that the girl went to work but “now says” that she was abused. What is wrong with his statements? They are the kind of thing that institutional sexual abusers and their administrative protectors use to intimidate other victims out of coming forward. “Nobody will believe you,” is one of the sex abuser’s preferred lines, according to abuse experts.

Under the photo of Dolan’s smiling face, on Dolan’s blog, Donahue goes on to call the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests (SNAP) a “phony victims’ group.”

Anybody with knowledge of the situation knows that minus SNAP, the Catholic Church would have done the equivalent of saying that all Church child rape victims “didn’t protest to getting a massage” and had been “wearing short skirts.” In recent weeks, Donahue has said that Church child rape victims “don’t want to move on, and that’s because they have too much invested in maintaining their victim status.”

New York Catholic Archbishop Timothy Dolan says the church sex abuse scandal “belongs to all of us” and praises the church’s response to the crisis. 

(Child sexual abuse) “Nobody has confronted it better than the Catholic church!” ~Timothy Dolan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNASNEkO0pA

Court case official documents:

Table of contents

http://documents.nytimes.com/anatomy-of-an-abuse-complaint-3

Complete PDF

http://s3.amazonaws.com/nytdocs/docs/329/329.pdf

Complex Struggle: Prelate’s Record in Abuse Crisis

In 2002, at the height of the sexual abuse crisis confronting theRoman Catholic Church in America, Timothy M. Dolan arrived in Milwaukee as the new archbishop, succeeding a prelate who had been caught up in scandal. To abuse victims who had felt rebuffed by the church, Archbishop Dolan — warm, down to earth — seemed a bright beam of hope.

He listened to them, wept with them and vowed to change the way the archdiocese dealt with the molestation of children by priests. But just months later, he handwrote a letter to Peter Isely, a victim and an advocate whose wife worried that the new archbishop would let him down.

“Listen to her,” Archbishop Dolan wrote. “Do not put your trust in me. You often speak eloquently about your own imperfection and sin. I’m in the same boat. I am imperfect, sinful, struggling, clumsy.”

His message was to trust only in God. And his warning proved accurate: He would disappoint many victims.

Days before the letter, they learned that Archbishop Dolan had instructed lawyers to seek the dismissal of five lawsuits against the church. Over the next six years, advocates would lament that he resisted many of their appeals for change, from opening church records on predatory priests to offering victims more comprehensive help.

Archbishop Dolan of Milwaukee is now Archbishop Dolan of New York, one of the church’s most visible leaders. As the scandal has reignited in recent months, focusing scrutiny on bishops from Ireland to India, he has used his influential post to defend Pope Benedict XVI from criticism that he was slow to move against priests.

The archbishop himself has struggled with the crisis during the decade since it struck the church in America with startling force. While sexual abuse has not confronted him as a major issue in New York, it loomed large in Milwaukee and in his previous assignment as a bishop in St. Louis. And a close look at his record there, largely unexamined since his arrival in New York about a year ago, shows how he tried — not always successfully — to accommodate competing demands.

One of a generation of bishops who came to the job after many of their predecessors were discredited, Archbishop Dolan faced a daunting set of challenges: assuaging not only abuse victims but also a church hierarchy worried about ruinous damages awards, parishioners angry over payments to victims, and his own priests, some perhaps falsely accused. It was a diplomatic gantlet many recent bishops have had to walk, and Archbishop Dolan trod it with particular care.

A genial conciliator, he consoled victims and created a fund to pay for compensation and counseling. He helped remove a dozen priests from ministry and disclosed the names of dozens more.

“He changed our experience in Milwaukee,” said Ralph Leese, 58, who received a financial settlement for his repeated abuse by a priest. “He made you feel like he knew where you were coming from, almost like the abuse had happened to him.”

But like bishops before him, the archbishop was also a tough defender of the church’s interests, clergy and bank balances. In Milwaukee, he worked in an unusually public and personal way to limit lawsuits and settlements. He declined to post the names of abusive priests who belonged to religious orders, though some other bishops have done so.

And in one St. Louis case, records show, he swiftly took the side of a priest who then sued his accuser with the archdiocese’s help, though church officials had not made a detailed investigation of the complaint.

In interviews and written responses for this article, Archbishop Dolan, 60, has discussed his handling of the abuse crisis at length. He expressed impatience with Mr. Isely’s group — Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, or SNAP — which, he said, could be impossible to please. The group, he said, was one of many forces pressing him, including Catholics who wanted no acknowledgment of the sex abuse problem.

“I kept saying, ‘We need to talk about this. We need to wrestle with this,’ ” he said. “They kept saying, ‘Would you quit talking about it?’ ”

The archbishop said the church had done more than any other organization to prevent future molestation. But he also acknowledged missteps as he and other church leaders struggled to address a growing scandal.

“This is a work in progress, and we’re learning as we go along,” he said. “That’s why perhaps you’ve heard me say, go ahead and criticize. We are just like everybody else that’s dealing with this painful issue — families, Boy Scouts, every other religion.”

‘I Found Myself Convinced’

The young man on the phone was distraught. The Archdiocese of St. Louis had appealed to people molested by priests to seek healing from the church. And in March 2002, the man, Arthur P. Andreas, called the auxiliary bishop handling abuse complaints: Timothy Dolan.

Mr. Andreas told Bishop Dolan he had been abused in the late 1980s, while in his early teens and living at St. Joseph’s Home for Boys, a Catholic center for troubled youth. He said a chaplain had groped him during three sleepovers in the clergyman’s quarters. Mr. Andreas told church officials he did not want his identity revealed, yet he hoped to get the secret off his chest and spare others similar mistreatment.

Bishop Dolan suggested they meet, but Mr. Andreas suspected that the bishop might try to talk him into dropping his complaint. Instead, he hired a lawyer and later detailed his allegations in writing to church officials and in person to prosecutors.

Mr. Andreas and the bishop never would meet, and the merits of his complaint would remain unclear. But his case, and his name, would spill into public view.

Bishop Dolan had little experience handling such cases, having been named the archdiocese’s point man for abuse complaints a month earlier, after about seven years in Rome. Born in St. Louis, he graduated from its local seminaries and knew many of its priests, including the accused chaplain, the Rev. Alexander R. Anderson.

Those connections, and what Bishop Dolan called “a tsunami” of abuse allegations, made the job excruciating. In an interview, he recalled “having to call these brother priests and confront them with accusations and tell them that they are out of the priesthood, and go to the parishes and tell that to the people.” He helped remove eight St. Louis priests from ministry, including two who lived in a rectory with him.

This new complaint, however, posed a different challenge. In most cases, the accused priests confessed. Father Anderson protested his innocence.

Meeting with the bishop about a week after Mr. Andreas called, Father Anderson acknowledged that during summers at St. Joseph’s, he had invited boys to sleep in his study because it was air-conditioned. But he firmly denied Mr. Andreas’s accusations.

Bishop Dolan, who said he had checked the priest’s personnel files and found no hint of a problem, was convinced on the spot.

“He said it with a lot of peace,” the bishop recalled in a 2003 deposition provided to The New York Times by David Clohessy, the executive director of SNAP. “I found myself convinced because of his — his tranquillity, his serenity and, I also have to say, because of his reputation.”

Bishop Dolan headed a review board — including priests, mental health professionals and other lay people — that helped evaluate abuse complaints. The same day that he met with the priest, he reviewed the allegations with three members and Archbishop Justin Rigali, and gave his opinion: Father Anderson was telling the truth.

The panel did not have investigators or subpoena power, Bishop Dolan said, but reviewed information provided by church officials and accusers. After several weeks, there was not much. The bishop said he had phoned a nun and a former nun who once worked at the boys’ home. They praised the priest and described Mr. Andreas as troubled, like the other boys, and thus prone to lie.

There is no evidence that during this time the archdiocese sought witnesses to any abuse; Bishop Dolan later testified that he was unaware of an earlier abuse complaint against Father Anderson that had been withdrawn.

The archdiocese decided that Mr. Andreas’s allegations were not credible, and said it passed them to the St. Louis circuit attorney in April 2002 at the urging of Father Anderson. “We thought, ‘Good, they’re going to look into this with a fine-tooth comb,’ ” Bishop Dolan recalled in his deposition.

But the criminal statute of limitations on the complaint would expire in two months, when Mr. Andreas turned 28. The church, in the meantime, went on the offensive.

Out in the Open

At weekend Masses in his parish in Eureka, Mo., a day after the archdiocese contacted prosecutors, Father Anderson announced he was the subject of a false abuse complaint. Archbishop Rigali issued a news release supporting him.

Father Anderson wanted more: permission to sue his accuser for defamation, as few priests had done. He wrote to Bishop Dolan, urging him to obtain the archbishop’s consent before the statute of limitations lapsed “so it wouldn’t appear that we were waiting until the young man’s hands were tied before we made a move against him.” Father Anderson wrote that the suit would ask Mr. Andreas to withdraw his allegations and to make a public apology, which the priest and the archdiocese could use “to our best advantage.”

Bishop Dolan said in his deposition that he had cautioned Father Anderson to consider the pain a lawsuit could cause. In an internal memo, he urged Archbishop Rigali to decide before the statute ran out, saying the “suit would of course lose force” after that.

The archbishop allowed the lawsuit. Records show that the archdiocese agreed to pay the priest’s legal bills but deleted a reference to it in correspondence, concerned about public criticism of its spending for accused priests.

Father Anderson filed suit in July 2002, a month after the statute expired and prosecutors said they would file no charges. News reports on the suit identified Mr. Andreas as the accuser.

Bishop Dolan was in the news, too, having been named archbishop of Milwaukee.

In his deposition the following year, he recalled that prosecutors had found the allegations against Father Anderson untrue. But Ed Postawko, then chief of the circuit attorney’s child sex abuse unit, said recently that the main obstacles to pursuing the case were the limited time and the difficulty locating witnesses and persuading them to come forward. “These cases can be quite complex to investigate,” he said.

Mr. Andreas countersued Father Anderson, and in 2004, both men dropped their lawsuits in a deal in which the archdiocese paid $22,500 for Mr. Andreas’s counseling — a settlement in which the church admitted no wrongdoing.

The truth in the case grew even more elusive. Litigation unearthed Mr. Andreas’s childhood psychiatric records, which reported tendencies to lie and to blame others. In 2004, after Archbishop Dolan had left St. Louis, another man claimed that Father Anderson had abused him at the boys’ home, but church officials found the complaint not credible.

Today, Father Anderson is pastor of St. Rose of Lima Catholic Church in De Soto, Mo. He declined to be interviewed.

Mr. Andreas, who now has a sales job, said he regretted going to the archdiocese. “I would have never made the call if I knew that they would take something so painful to me and put it on everyone’s breakfast table,” he said.

Archbishop Dolan said he believed he had handled the case properly, though he said in some ways he would act differently now that the nation’s bishops have set new rules for dealing with complaints. He said he would not offer his opinion to a review board and would not sit on the panel, which he said must be “scrupulously independent.” He said he now knew that abusive priests could be deceptive, and that he should not “trust my gut.”

“One thing I’ve learned is, well, they can speak their piece,” he said. “I cannot give this credibility. It’s not up to me.”

From Hugs to Hard Feelings

On an October evening in 2002, about eight weeks after arriving in Milwaukee, Archbishop Dolan and other church officials sat down with an estimated 200 people — abuse victims, their families and supporters — in an extraordinary public forum. For four hours, as they told their stories, the archbishop listened intently, wiping his eyes and leaping up to embrace the last speaker.

“We can’t do business as usual,” he said. “That’s sledgehammer obvious to me this evening.”

Many in the crowd had felt marginalized by his predecessor, Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland, who had resigned after admitting that the archdiocese had paid $450,000 to a younger man with whom he had carried on an affair.

Now, they believed they could persuade the archdiocese to make an array of changes: publicly naming predatory priests; censuring church officials who may have covered up abuse; establishing an independent system to mediate abuse claims; and paying victims adequate compensation.

Archbishop Dolan would grant some of their requests. He met with victims to offer apologies and consolation. After the nation’s bishops required each diocese to appoint a coordinator of assistance to alleged victims, he went further, hiring a non-Catholic to work full time.

Yet he and SNAP, the group representing most victims, soon tangled in an escalating series of battles. One sticking point would be money.

The archbishop said that while he was ready to help victims financially, he would not tap donations that parishioners and others had intended for schools or charities, “to compensate for the sinful actions of a few in which they had no part and which they roundly condemn.” He announced he was creating a $4 million fund for settlements, to be raised by selling church property.

The archdiocese had a special immunity. The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that church-and-state separation barred lawsuits against religious organizations for negligent supervision of clergy. As in most states, the statute of limitations ruled out suits for abuse that had occurred many years earlier.

Yet church officials, saying they wanted to do justice, had long been meeting with individual victims to settle complaints. Archbishop Dolan commissioned a new system using mediators independent of the church.

SNAP, in turn, pushed for a group process in which church officials and dozens of victims would mediate claims together — a move it hoped would make settlements more equitable and lend individuals more leverage. Archbishop Dolan expressed support, and in December 2003, the two sides began to discuss that and other proposals.

Three months into the talks, the advocates walked out, saying the church had made non-negotiable demands; among them, that mediation would not include the victims of priests who belonged to religious orders like the Jesuits or Capuchins, and that victims would not have final say over how to divide settlement money.

Mr. Isely said that without the ability to sue, his group had no bargaining power, but relied on the church’s good faith. “And if that good faith was broken,” he added, “there was literally nothing we could do.”

The archbishop said he did not know why the advocates withdrew. But the archdiocese continued to negotiate with victims one by one. Under Archbishop Dolan, the independent mediation he set up reached resolution with more than 170 victims, paying about $10.2 million for settlements, therapy and other assistance.

Results varied widely. Mike Sneesby, 53, said he was abused by a parish priest over a four-year period starting when he was 12, and received $125,000. Gary Smith, one among scores of boys abused by the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy at a Wisconsin school for the deaf, was not allowed into mediation because he accepted $5,000 in 1994, two years before Archbishop Weakland began writing to the Vatican for guidance on how to move against the priest.

Patrick W. Carey, a professor of theology at Marquette University who sits on an archdiocesan panel on religious education, said the settlement fund helped limit the church’s fiscal exposure. “Financially, it made a lot of sense,” if only for a time, Professor Carey said. “It was an impossible situation.”

The archdiocese was less protected in California, where two abusive priests it allowed to take new posts in the 1970s had molested more children. Its lawyers fought unsuccessfully to avoid liability in 10 abuse claims, and the United States Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal. Archbishop Dolan flew to Los Angeles in 2006, at the recommendation of a judge, for negotiations that resulted in a $16.5 million settlement.

In Wisconsin, a new threat arose: a bill that would open a three-year grace period in which people could sue the church for abuse no matter how long ago it occurred. For years the church had successfully opposed similar proposals, but in 2008, a new measure had broad support. Archbishop Dolan went before a State Senate committee — a rare appearance by an American archbishop before a legislative body.

“There is no Catholic Superfund that can provide the monies this legislation will require of the church,” he testified. The bill did not emerge from committee.

Today, the archdiocese faces another hurdle. The Wisconsin Supreme Court, which had limited lawsuits against the church, ruled in 2007 that the archdiocese could be sued for fraud by plaintiffs claiming that it had placed abusive priests in new parishes without alerting parishioners. The archdiocese says it now faces 12 fraud suits in that state.

In New York, Archbishop Dolan has kept a much lower profile on sexual abuse. When a bill similar to Wisconsin’s surfaced in the State Legislature last year, other bishops led the opposition. The archbishop said the policies he inherited at the archdiocese, which has not had a mediation program, seemed sufficient. He has faced few calls for change from victims, though SNAP members traveled from Milwaukee to New York to protest his appointment.

The archbishop said he had come to regret his early overtures to the group.

At one parish visit in Milwaukee, he recalled, “a SNAP member spat in my face and yelled that he would not rest until there was a ‘going out of business’ sign in front of every Catholic parish, church, school and outreach center.”

He added, “That’s when I knew I should have listened to those who told me that working with them would not be helpful.”

Mr. Isely, the Midwest director of SNAP, said he was not aware of the incident, but if a member had acted that way, the group would apologize to the archbishop.

Many victims say their own persistence prompted the archbishop to make many of the changes that he did. Amy Peterson, whom he hired to coordinate assistance to victims, agreed. “I credit the survivors for the changes within the archdiocese,” said Ms. Peterson, who still holds the job. “Not the archdiocese alone.”

Naming Names

Even after talks with SNAP fell apart, Archbishop Dolan moved ahead on one of its priorities. In July 2004, he released the names of predatory priests in Milwaukee. The list, still posted online, names 43, living and dead. Only two dozen of the nation’s 195 dioceses have done so, according to the group BishopAccountability.org.

The archbishop recalled that the decision to make the names public was “very difficult” because many Catholics advised against it. “In retrospect,” he said, “I’m glad I did.”

But he has not done the same in New York, where the archdiocese has published each name in its newspaper once, when a priest is removed from ministry. In Milwaukee, many victims say he acted only after public pressure from them, the governor, senior state lawmakers and some members of his own community advisory board on sex abuse.

The list itself, they add, is incomplete. It includes only archdiocesan priests and omits those who belong to religious orders, though the latter constitute more than half the 704 priests in the archdiocese. SNAP says 26 religious-order priests in the archdiocese have abused children, but their orders have not identified them publicly.

Like most dioceses, Milwaukee has extensive ties to religious-order priests. Those who work in parishes need an appointment by the archbishop. The archdiocese sends its seminarians for their academic requirements to a theology school run by the Priests of the Sacred Heart. One of its two auxiliary bishops is a Conventual Franciscan.

Yet, under a longtime policy, the archdiocese does not investigate abuse allegations against such priests, but refers them to the leaders of their orders. By law, it forwards complaints to the authorities.

Archbishop Dolan has said church law bars him from publicly identifying religious-order priests who have abused children.

In interviews, a half-dozen canon law experts — including Msgr. Thomas J. Green, a professor at Catholic University — said the law did not specifically address the release of names.

Fourteen dioceses, including Baltimore and Los Angeles, that have listed abusive priests have included members of religious orders, according to BishopAccountability.org. Many, like the Diocese of Springfield, Mass., have investigated allegations against such priests and helped pay settlements.

Baltimore’s list includes a religious-order priest, the Rev. Dennis Pecore, who abused a child there in the 1970s before he was transferred to Milwaukee, where he was twice convicted of sexual offenses against children. The Milwaukee archdiocese joined with Father Pecore’s religious order, the Salvatorians, to settle with a victim. Yet neither has posted his name.

Church leaders in Baltimore and elsewhere said there were good reasons for listing every offender.

“It doesn’t seem appropriate just to do diocesan priests,” said Bishop Gerald F. Kicanas of Tucson, the vice president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. “Our goal is to demonstrate to the person harmed that the church understood their pain and the harm that had been done to them, and to get as many victims as possible to come forward.”

Maryann Clesceri, the executive director of a Milwaukee center that serves sexual assault victims, said she and some fellow members of the archdiocese’s community advisory board encouraged Archbishop Dolan to list every abuser because “to maintain the silence is to mirror what the perpetrators want.”

“Some of us then said that if the religious orders did not release the names, those orders should not be allowed in the archdiocese,” she added.

The archbishop said he had encouraged the religious orders to list the names. “They chose not to,” he said. “I regretted their decision.”

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He has expressed his full intentions of using his prominent new post as a pulpit to advocate doctrinal views on such national social issues as abortion. During his installation homily, he received a standing ovation after speaking of the Church’s mission:

“To embrace and protect the dignity of every human person, the sanctity of human life, from the tiny baby in the womb to the last moment of natural passing into eternal life.” ~Timothy Dolan

During the 2008 presidential election, Dolan rebuked Democratic vice-presidential candidate then-U.S. Senator Joe Biden and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi for “misrepresenting timeless Church doctrine” on abortion, which Dolan called the “premier civil rights issue of our day.” 

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In March 2009, Dolan noted that U.S. President Barack Obama has “taken a position very much at odds with the Church” regarding abortion, said the University of Notre Dame made a “big mistake” in selecting Obama to deliver its graduation ceremony’s commencement speech.

Timothy Dolan: Expanding Access To Birth Control Would Undermine ‘The American Enterprise,’ Spread ‘Secularism’

Timothy Cardinal Dolan of New York took his case against the Affordable Care Act’s new rule requiring insurers and employers to provide preventive care services — including contraception — at no additional cost to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly. The Catholic Church is fighting the requirement against the tide of public opinion and despite being specifically exempt from providing birth control to its members.

Dolan pulled no punches, however, going so far as to imply that the requirement would undermine the “American enterprise” and spread “secularism” throughout the nation:

DOLAN: You’re a better historian than I am Bill, you know that every great movement in — in American history has been driven by people of religious conviction. And if we duct tape the churches — I’m just not talking about the Catholic Church — if we duct tape the role of religion and the churches and morally convince people in the marketplace that’s going to lead to a huge deficit a huge void. And there are many people who want to fill it up, namely a new religion called secularism, ok, which — which would be as doctrinaire and would consider itself as infallible as they caricature the other religions doing.

So to — to see — to see that morally-driven religiously-convinced people want to exercise their political responsibility, I think that is not only at the heart of biblical religion, it is at the heart of American enterprise.

But since most Americans — and Catholics — reject the Church’s teachings against contraception, Dolan is fighting an uphill battle that will persuade only the most ardent Catholic conservatives. It’s a reality he recognizes, telling O’Reilly, “It’s a tough battle because of that and our opponents are very shrewd because they’ve chosen an issue that they know we don’t — we’re not very popular on.” “[E]ven our — even — even very faithful Catholics, Bill, don’t like their bishops or priests telling them how to vote, a person or even on a particular issue.”

Cardinal Timothy Dolan with Bill O’Reilly discussing the Secularists moves against religion. Catholic cardinal accuses Obama of attempting to divide the church. (WAtch the video)

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Cardinal Dolan: You Bet The Church Wants To Have A Say In American Politics

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“…namely a new religion called secularism, OK, which would be as doctrinaire and would consider itself as infallible as they caricature the other religions doing.” ~Timothy Dolan

The archbishop of New York, Timothy Dolan, agreed that Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum had a “good point” when he said that John F. Kennedy’s speech about the separation of church in state made him want to “throw up.” 

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NY Archbishop Timothy Dolan: Gays Shouldn’t Marry 1) Because They’re Not Qualified 2) I Can’t Marry My Mom

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Gay-Hating NY Archbishop Timothy Dolan to Be Elevated to Cardinal

Archbishop Timothy Dolan, who warned of the Communist threat from same-sex marriage in New York during the run-up to its legalization last year, will be among those elevated by Pope Benedict to Cardinal in a ceremony on February 18, City Room reports:

Pope Benedict XVI also named 21 other new cardinals on Friday. Eighteen of the new cardinals are under the age of 80, Reuters reported, and therefore eligible to enter the secret conclave to elect a new pope after Benedict dies. There are 120 cardinals who serve as papal elector.

Vatican Radio carried the official announcement and the names of all those who will be elevated in February.

Archbishop Dolan, who was named to succeed Cardinal Edward M. Egan in February 2009, is set to deliver a mass at the Cathedral of Saint Patrick on Friday morning and would respond to the announcement.

Dolan, who claimed to be deceived by politicians over the marriage equality vote after it happened, also said this:

This is a very violation of what we consider natural law that’s embedded in every man and woman and we’re really worried as Americans that it’s going to be detrimental to the common good.

And called it ‘Orwellian social engineering’, comparing it to polygamy:

To tamper with that definition, or to engage in some Orwellian social engineering about the nature and purpose of marriage, is perilous to all of us.  If the definition of marriage is continually being altered, could it not in the future be morphed again to include multiple spouses or even family members?

And suggested it was a Communist threat:

Last time I consulted an atlas, it is clear we are living in New York, in the United States of America – not in China or North Korea.  In those countries, government presumes daily to “redefine” rights, relationships, values, and natural law.  There, communiqués from the government can dictate the size of families, who lives and who dies, and what the very definition of “family” and “marriage” means.

He also put it same-sex marriage in the same category as marrying one’s mommy.

Apparently it was enough anti-gay hate to get him a big promotion.

NY Catholic quits board over Cardinal Dolan’s anti-gay stance

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Are these the kind of people that you want running your charity? Theists still say, after all this: But some religious charities do good things. Yes it is true but does “some good charity work,” justify or make religion good overall? You decide:

I could list over 100 specific religious atrocities but here are a few, rape, torture, murder, war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, slavery, segregation, racism, discrimination, bigotry, hate, oppression, abuse, child rape/abuse/molestations, war on science, war on education, war on medicine, war on knowledge, war on inquiry, war on history, war on technology, war on human rights, war on women, war on the LGBT community, war on freedom, and the list goes on and on.

Religious leaders have done each of these things throughout time as well as today. They have done those things hundreds, thousands, and some, millions of times. The thousands of religious leaders who have done these things, do them because they do not believe the religion (including the man-invented gods and man-written scripture) that they sell to the public; so why should anyone? It discredits their product. All religion is a lie and an evil business empire. Yes, evil. The word has been defined by organized religion.

The catholic church could open one of their gold vaults, with money and gold stacked as far as the eye can see and they could help every single poor person in the world. They could totally eliminate poverty forever. The cost to them would be equivalent to a tenth of a penny when compared to an average person. This will never happen because they are selfish. The helpless, poor, sick, needy, homeless, poverty-stricken, suffering, uneducated, and downtrodden people (especially of third-world nations) are easily exploitable and give the church the power of the majority. Helping these poor people just enough to keep most of them breathing, raises the church up in a false light as the church steps on their heads. Without all that human misery and suffering, the church would become less important and needed. The church would have less power and no cheap public relation tools. They wouldn’t have anything to make people turn their head, close their eyes and plug their ears of all the extreme church wrong-doings, injustices, atrocities and their true motives would come to light. Without poverty, there would be one less big arguing point of the church’s relevance in our new day and age.

One of my favorite debates. See why:

Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry debate The Catholic Church - The Intelligence Squared Debate 2009

Debate Topic: Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world?

There is a vote @ 45:00 - Amazing!

~Christopher Hitchens (@7:45) Author, and columnist Vanity Fair

~Stephen Fry (@21:15) Actor and writer

-John Onaiyekan - Catholic Archbishop ofAbuja,Nigeria

-Ann Widdecombe MP - Former Conservative Government Minister

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLpowp9da_o

*See a Partial transcript of the debate in our comments.

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Fundamentalists make up around 20-30% of christians and it is higher in muslim theocracies. These fundamentalists are the leaders of most branches of both religions. The “liberal and moderate” majority are to blame just as much as the fundamentalists. They stand by and allow their religions to be run by fundamentalists. Many of them defend fundamentalists and most damming; they fund their fundamentalist leaders through tithing and donations. When did the church excommunicate Hitler, or stand up to their KKK theWestboroChurchor 100 other like christian organizations? They haven’t and they won’t. What percent of the thousands of pedophile priest child rapists are in prison? The church’s official position is to attack the child victims; to blame hundreds of thousands of raped and abused children and fight against them in court. Where is the outrage and protests by the christian liberal-moderate majority? Where is this claimed christian majority? Many of them are here on Facebook, fighting non-christians who stand opposed to their fundamentalists. ~ExposingReligion

Religious Organizations should lose all federal tax-payer’s funding. Secular organizations can replace them and do a much better job, without stealing and selfish motives!

~Free-From-Religion Charities

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~Other related research blogs:

The religious/political attack on education, public funding of private religious miseducation systems and antievolution

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/12901188537

Collection Of Research Blogs Documenting The Thousands Of Children Raped By Thousands Of Religious Leaders Of The World

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/7868894744

Religion’s War On Science

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/11326197537

We must completely remove religion from our government, courts, military, and education system.

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/20149553085

The christian world domination (Evangelisation ) - The Lausanne Movement – Founder evangelist Dr Billy Graham

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/7371830284

The bible has been proven to be fraudulent and religious leaders have admitted it! See Hundreds of other documented church forgeries!

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Exposing and Replacing the fraudulent-commercial images of je$u$ with truthful ones! http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/19994962741

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The CLASS of the church: Instead of helping the victims of rape by their priests, they declare war on them:


Catholic League’s Donohue vows to fight rape victims ‘one by one’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/13/catholic-leagues-donohue-vows-to-fight-rape-victims-one-by-one/

Church Calls The Victimized And Raped Children Homosexual?

Pastor had sex with teens to cure their homosexuality 

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking-news/pastor-had-sex-with-teens-to-cure-their-homosexuality.html

Catholic group is attacking raped children. They claim children raped by priests were ‘homosexual’ participants, not victims. - So thousands of rapes are justified? 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/12/catholic-group-says-children-raped-by-priests-were-participants-not-victims/

‘I was rescuing him from homosexuality,’ church abuser tells court

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/i-was-rescuing-him-from-homosexuality—church-abuser-tells-court-20110412-1dbrn.html

Catholic Church sex abuse: Study blames free-love of the 1960s, not celibacy for abuse cases

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-05-18/news/29576200_1_abusive-priests-john-jay-study-abuse-cases

US Catholic Church study blames 1960s permissiveness for rise in sexual abuse

Report claims less than 5% of abusive priests were paedophiles as critics accuse it of ‘garbage in, garbage out’ exoneration

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/19/us-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-report

Vatican Christmas Shocker! Pope says child rape isn’t that bad, was normal back in his day.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/220257-Vatican-Christmas-Shocker-Pope-says-child-rape-isn-t-that-bad-was-normal-back-in-his-day

Councillor said nine-year-old rape victim ‘wanted it to happen’, cop claims 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sunday-mail/2011/03/06/senior-councillor-said-nine-year-old-rape-victim-wanted-it-to-happen-claims-police-officer-86908-22970185/

Vatican says number of sex abuse cases in church is small

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7444784/Vatican-says-number-of-sex-abuse-cases-in-church-is-small.html

CHURCH MULTIPLIES RESOURCES TO FIGHT SEX ABUSE

http://www.zenit.org/article-32904?l=english

Church Puts Legal Pressure on Abuse Victims’ Group

The group, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known as SNAP, is neither a plaintiff nor a defendant in the litigation. But the group has been subpoenaed five times in recent months in Kansas City and St. Louis, and its national director, David Clohessy, was questioned by a battery of lawyers for more than six hours this year. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/us/catholic-church-pressures-victims-network-with-subpoenas.html

Catholics Fight Church’s Victims – Again

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The bible claims that god commands followers to pay the church or be cursed. Then when you pay, you are promised a greater return of good fortune and protection, which never comes. This is grand fraud!


What does the Bible Say about giving your money to the church, tithing, donations and paying to pray? How do they pull this grand fraud off?

 

~FIRST, THE BIBLE ESTABLISHES THAT GOD OWNS EVERYTHING! 

PSALMS 24:1 
The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein . (NKJ)

PSALMS 50:10 
For every beast of the forest is Mine , And the cattle on a thousand hills. (NKJ)

PSALMS 50:11 
I know all the birds of the mountains, And the wild beasts of the field are Mine . (NKJ)

HAGGAI 2:8 
`The silver is Mine , and the gold is Mine ,’ says the Lord of hosts. (NKJ)

EZEKIEL 18:4 
Behold, all souls are Mine ; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine ; the soul who sins shall die. (NKJ)

ROMANS 14:8 
For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s . (NKJ)

1 CORINTHIANS 6:20 
For you were bought at a price ; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. (NKJ)

1 CORINTHIANS 10:26 
For 
The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness . (NKJ)

~NEXT, WE ARE MERELY STEWARDS OVER HIS POSSESSIONS: THE PRINCIPLE OF DOMINION 

GENESIS 1:26 
Then God said, 
Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all th e earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. (NKJ)

GENESIS 1:28 
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, 
Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living t hing that moves on the earth. (NKJ)

Based upon the above scriptures and many, many others, it is clear that the entire earth, world, gold, silver, animals, and all people are God’s! The principle of divine ownership teaches us that there is nothing that does not belong to God Himself! 

So many Christians today fail to realize that God has asked and even commanded them to give and to tithe!

The bible claims that everything belongs to God! Not only the tithe, but everything else: 100% belongs to Him. Christians are simply stewards being obedient to their Heavenly Master. The tithe is simply the basic starting point in Christian financial commitment.

You do not really own anything. So it is easier when you give to the to the church. You are giving god’s belongings to help his church.

~HOW DO I DETERMINE THE AMOUNT I SHOULD TITHE? 

The word tithe literally means 10 %. The amount we should tithe is 10 % of all our increase. This includes any and all increase in the value of the original capital investment. All capital gains from the sale of houses, real estate , stocks, bonds, mach inery, etc. All increases based upon our wages or salaries, including fringe benefits: employer paid health insurance, dental insurance, life insurance, retirement contributions, etc.

LEVITICUS 27:30 
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord. (KJV)

LEVITICUS 27:31 
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. (KJV)

LEVITICUS 27:32 
And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. (KJV)

God has commanded us to tithe on all our increases. Whatever you receive, whether it be from gifts, earnings, inheritances, etc. are to be tithed.

Those who tithe usually have little difficulty tithing on their gross wages. However, many fail to take into account the sales and profits from houses, cars, boats, etc. Whenever we receive an increase above our original inve stment, we are to tithe! 

Sometimes I am asked the question, 
What happens if I lose money on a investment? My response is always the same: if we have an increase, God expects a tithe!

~WHERE ARE WE TO GIVE OUR TITHES? 

MALACHI 3:7 
Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them . Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return

Malachi 3:8-12

8“Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me!

“But you ask, ‘What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?’

“You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. 

9You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me.

10Bring all the tithes into the storehouse (church) so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! 

11Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease.Your grapes will not fall from the vine before they are ripe,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. 

12“Then all nations will call you blessed, for your land will be such a delight,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies.

~Storehouse Concept 

The concept of the storehouse in the Old Testament plays a very important part in our understanding of New Testament tithing. The people, being primarily agricultural, would bring their tithes of the land, cattle, grain, fruits, vege tables, etc. to the l ocal Levites who were responsible for the ministry in their local community. The Levites had a storehouse in which the grain, meal, cattle, etc. would be stored for later consumption and use. Notice that God said we were to bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house. His house was in reference to what we call today the local church. It was that place in which people would be able to receive their ministry and care.

It is the local church who must baptize, marry, counsel, and b ury the individuals. Therefore, God’s plan is for the local church to receive the tithe for its services. Again, there is absolutely no scriptural support for the idea that the tithe is to go anywhere but to the local church. 

I CORINTHIANS 16:1 
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. (KJV)

I CORINTHIANS 16:2 
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (KJV)

Notice the concept of laying in store for the first day of the week, Sunday. Now I realize that this verse is referring to the offerings that were designated for the suffering saints in Jerusalem, but I wish to point out the principl e of storehouse and w eekly giving in the New Testament setting.

The sole and primary purpose of the tithe is to support those who are in the ministry and their families. The tithe, as we will see, is not to be used for paying church mortgages or electric bills, but is to go towards the support of the ministers on sta ff in a local church.

1 CORINTHIANS 9:14 
Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. (KJV)

1 CORINTHIANS 9:14 
In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. (NIV)

LUKE 10:7 
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. (KJV)

1 TIMOTHY 5:17 
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. (KJV)

1 TIMOTHY 5:17 
The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. (NIV)

These, as well as other scriptures, show us that the ministers are not to live in hardship, just barely getting by. As ministers are faithful to the Lord and as their ministries grow so should their support financially.

Numbers 18:21

“I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting.

Numbers 18:24-29 

 24 Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the LORD. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”

25 The LORD said to Moses,

26 “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD’s offering.

27 Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress.

28 In this way you also will present an offering to the LORD from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the LORD’s portion to Aaron the priest.

29 You must present as the LORD’s portion the best and holiest part of everything given to you.’

Verse 24 shows us that the Levites were to tithe, and that tithe was called the heave offering. The heave offering was used to support the priest that supported the Levites.

~NEW TESTAMENT TITHING

I heard one man say, I am not going to tithe. I live strictly by the New Testament and I don’t believe tithing is New Testament!

I then proceeded to shout, 
Praise the Lord! Let us look at the New Testament! 

MATTHEW 23:23 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not t o leave the other undone . (KJV) (KJV)

MARK 10:21 
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and fo llow me. (KJV)

MARK 12:41-44

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny. Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

LUKE 11:42 
Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone . (NIV)

LUKE 18:12
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 

HEBREWS 7:1-9

1For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 

2to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 

3Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

 4Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, gave a tenth of the choicest spoils. 

5And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest’s office have commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these are descended from Abraham. 

6But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. 

7But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater. 

8In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. 

9And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, 

ACTS 2:44 
And all that believed were together, and had all things common ; (KJV)

ACTS 2:45 
And sold their possessions and goods , and parted them to all men , as every man had need. (KJV)

ACTS 4:32 
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common . (KJV)

ACTS 4:33 
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. (KJV)

ACTS 4:34 
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, (KJV)

ACTS 4:35 
And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (KJV)

ACTS 4:36 
And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, the son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, (KJV)

ACTS 4:37 
Having land, sold it , and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. (KJV)

I then proceeded to tell the man that if he were strictly New Testament, he would have to sell all that he had and bring it into the church, to the apostles’ feet. After reading these scriptures, I was surprised at how quickly this man changed his theolo gy regarding the law of the tithe.

Galatians 6:7

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap

Proverbs 3:9-10

Honor the Lord from your wealth and from the first of all your produce; so your barns will be filled with plenty and your vats will overflow with new wine.

Proverbs 11:24-25

There is one who scatters, and yet increases all the more, and there is one who withholds what is justly due, and yet it results only in want. The generous man will be prosperous, and he who waters will himself be watered.

2 Corinthians 8:11-15

11 Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means. 

12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have.

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 

14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 

15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

Guidelines for Giving

http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/2Cor/Guidelines-Giving

2 Corinthians 9:7

Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Clearly Jesus is telling the Pharisees and scribes that they were to tithe on their increases and possessions ! The emphasis was not that they were not to tithe or that we are not to tithe, but that they sh ould understand judgement, mercy, and faith. Whatever we do today is in vain if it is not done in faith and love. But, please do not overlook the fact Jesus expected them to continue tithing 

~Tithing was not initially instituted in the Mosaic law. In fact, it was a Biblical principle instituted by God before the Law! Let us take a look at Abraham who tithed unto the priest Melchizedek.

GENESIS 14:18 
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. (KJV)

GENESIS 14:19 
And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: (KJV)

GENESIS 14:20 
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all (KJV)

This passage of scripture clearly shows us the principle and the law of tithing hundreds of years before the Mosaic Law was given.

Another example of tithing before the Mosaic Law was Jacob in Genesis 28:20-22.

GENESIS 28:20 
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, (KJV)

GENESIS 28:21 
So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: (KJV)

GENESIS 28:22 
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee . (KJV)

Jacob made a vow unto God to serve Him and to tithe on all that the Lord would give him. Let us look at the end result of Jacob’s life as a result of his tithing unto the LORD.

GENESIS 33:11 
Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it . (KJV)

~What they claim…Selling you on tithing:

Tithing is the means through which God is released to bless his people. Scripture after scripture shows us that it is God’s desire for us to prosper and be in health. The Bible also tells us that whatever we give shall be give n back to us good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over. It teaches us that God will open up the windows of heaven and pour out blessings that our storehouses will not be able to contain. 

The question is not whether you can afford to tithe, but rather, how in the world can you afford not to tithe?

Tithing is one of God’s means of bringing us into maturity and prosperity. 

Tithing honors the LORD!

Tithing demonstrates our faith in God’s power to supply all our needs. We receive peace of mind knowing we are obeying God’s Word.

Tithing is an act of our faith because it allows God to bless the remaining 90% of our income.

Tithing blesses the church by enabling it to carry out a greater ministry to the world.

Through our obedience to God in tithing, we become good examples of financial stewardship in God’s Kingdom.

Please let me remind you that we are the stewards and not the owners of our possessions. GOD OWNS ALL 

TITHING IS NOT AN OPTION IT IS GOD’S COMMANDMENT!

You can tithe without loving God with all your heart, but you cannot love God with all your heart without tithing! 

~Additional Scriptures Relating to Tithing: 

2 CHRONICLES 31:5 
And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all <things> brought they in abundantly. 

2 CHRONICLES 31:6 
And <concerning> the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid & lt;them> by heaps. 

2 CHRONICLES 31:12
And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated <things> faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite <was> ruler, and Shimei his brother <was> the next. 

NEHEMIAH 10:37
And <that> we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground u nto the Levites, that the same Le vites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage. 

NEHEMIAH 10:38
And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house. 

NEHEMIAH 12:44
And at that time there were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes, to gather into them out of the fields of the cities the portions of the law for the priests and Levites: for Judah r ejoiced for the priests and for the Levites that waited. 

NEHEMIAH 13:12
Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries. 

NEHEMIAH 13:5
And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded <to be given> to the L evites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.

LEVITICUS 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, <whether> of the seed of the land, <or> of the fruit of the tree, <is> the LORD’S: <it is> holy unto the LORD. 

LEVITICUS 27:31
And if a man will at all redeem <ought> of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth <part> thereof. 

LEVITICUS 27:32
And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, <even> of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. 

DEUTERONOMY 12:17
Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: 

DEUTERONOMY 14:22
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 

DEUTERONOMY 14:23
And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 

DEUTERONOMY 14:28
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay <it> up within thy gates: 

DEUTERONOMY 12:6
And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: 

DEUTERONOMY 12:11
Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of y our hand, and all your choi ce vows which ye vow unto the LORD: 

DEUTERONOMY 26:12
When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, <which> <is> the year of tithing, and hast given <it> unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; 

GENESIS 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 

NUMBERS 18:24
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer <as> an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. 

NUMBERS 18:26
Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, <even> a tenth <part> of the tithe. 

NUMBERS 18:28
Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD’s heave offering to Aaron the priest. 

AMOS 4:4
Come to Beth-el, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, <and> your tithes after three years: 

Ezekiel 44:30

The first of all the first fruits of every kind and every contribution of every kind, from all your contributions, shall be for the priests; you shall also give to the priest the first of your dough to cause a blessing to rest on your house.

Robertson: Those Struggling Financially Must Keep Tithing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrfD4wLz3yo

The ATM in the Church Lobby - TIME

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1648022,00.html

Church ATMs: Collection Plate Evolution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/16/AR2006121600753.html

“Pay Tithes or get SHOT!”—Creflo Dollar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis

Creflo Dollar TITHE or DIE

Creflo Dollar’s Tithing Manipulation Uncovered Part 1 of 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPJcddnaR8A

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhJyJ6MoorQ&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtv4_u_7Vp4&feature=relmfu

God’s Tithing Law! (1-2)

presented by David C. Pack

http://www.worldtocome.org/player.html?&s_kwcid=TC|20361|what%20is%20tithing||S|p|12974403347&&gclid=CP_z747Kra8CFUfc4Aod2030qQ#!Item=558751,1

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Sermon on Tithing/Giving

http://thecrazypastor.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/sermon-on-tithinggiving/

Kingdom Truths For Today #2 

Recognizing God’s Ownership

http://kenbirks.com/outlines/stewardship-2.pdf

Sermon Results for Tithing

http://www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/sermons-about-tithing.asp?Keyword=Tithing

Why I Give Tithes (and Offerings)
Pastor Jim Feeney, Ph.D.

http://www.jimfeeney.org/tithing.html

11/17/02, Tithing Sermon “TIME TO TITHE”

http://bobssermons.com/sermons/archive/021117.html

Should Christians Tithe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4oOkezxKuI

Tithing vs. Giving

http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?file=article&name=News&sid=161

Be Generous: Proverbs 11:25 A Generous Man Will Prosper / 2 Cor. 9:7 God Loves a Cheerful Giver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soK1bDhE-RA&feature=player_embedded

Minister Grace TITHE Sermon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKudXhaJs4

Message: Tithing by Bishop Wilfred Lai 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMgFIxntUM&feature=related

Re: Should I Tithe or Pay my Bills? (Immature christians do not give their money to the church)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-I9sMJav0&feature=related

CHURCH OF TITHE?

http://churchtithesandofferings.com/

GIFT PLANS:
PRE-PAID GIFTING (TITHING)

Prepaid Tithing

Many people make annual cash donations to their church  This practice is sometimes called a payment of tithes.

We have developed a Gift Plan known as Pre-paid Tithingthat achieves the equivalent of a triple tax deduction plus a life annuity.  A Pre-paid Tithing plan can be established to support your church, religious organization, or other charity inperpetuity.   The following example illustrates this planning technique.

  • Step 1: An individual or family establishes a family foundation with The American Foundation™. 
     

  • Step 2: Real estate, stock or any other highly appreciated assets valued at $100,000 are transferred to your family foundation at The American Foundation
     

  • Step 3: The asset is sold and the proceeds invested - in our example we are assuming an 8% annual return. 
     

  • Step 4: Each year the family foundation distributes 5% to the family selected charities (donor’s church, etc.).   In the above example, the assumed investment return is 8%, but only 5% is being paid out to charities each year, which allows the foundation account to grow by 3% annually.  This would provide an ever increasing amount above the original $5,000 (5% of $100,000) that would be distributed to charities each year.

The donor achieves the equivalent of a triple deduction, plus a life annuity:

1. The donor receives a full $100,000 charitable gift income tax deduction, limited to 30% of AGI (50% if a cash contribution) in each year. Any unused deduction can be carried forward for five additional years.

2. Because The American Foundation is tax-exempt, there is no capital gains tax when the property or stock is sold. This is equivalent to an additional full tax deduction.

3. The property or asset is removed from the donor’s estate, which is equivalent to a 100% estate tax deduction.

4. Assuming that the donor in this case is normally making cash donations to his or her church or charity, the result of this new foundation account would be increased annual cash flow to the donor by the amount that he/she is no longer contributing personally to charity. The family foundation makes these same donations. This results in an increase in personal cash-flow for life, which is the definition of an annuity.

This plan works equally well with cash or assets that are not appreciated.

http://americanfoundation.org/10turnkey__tithing.html

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Exposing the lies of: “No Serious/No Reputable Scholar doubts that a historical Jesus existed. ALL New Testament scholars unanimously agree that Jesus existed.”


I hear these claims everyday:

“Most modern historians agree that Jesus existed.”

”Only a few scholars have questioned the existence of Jesus. ”

”The majority of historians agree with the existence of a historical Jesus. ”

”Nearly all Bible scholars involved with historical Jesus research maintain the existence of the New Testament Jesus. ”

”Biblical scholars unanimously agree that Jesus was historical. ”

”There is said to be more evidence of Jesus’ existence than any other person in history. ”

”Most Bible scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher fromGalilee. ”

See our detailed research on these lies:

~The christian book writing smear campaign against anyone who questions the existence of their jesus:

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Smear Article:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/mark-shea/did-jesus-exist

Christians have been repeating these lies over and over for 2000 years, hoping they will become facts. These are claims with ZERO evidence to back them up. Where is the poll to prove that almost all scholars agree with them? Isn’t it easy to just make false claims?

~Christian apologists: “ALL New Testament scholars unanimously agree that Jesus existed.” Really? QUOTES FROM A FEW SCHOLARS ABOUT JESUS

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/20641891493

~Debunking Bart Ehrman’s belief in jesus that he is attempting to call a fact, with his newest book:

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There is a big difference between theologians, bible scholars and real historians.

Christian apologists love to mix them up on purpose in order to give more merit to their jesus story.

~Theologians, Biblical Scholars, “Real” Historians and Sources

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/20633223886

~How Historians Work — Lessons for historical Jesus scholars - by: Neil Godfrey

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/20626289729

~Confessions of a Theologian — Bible scholars really do do history differently — by: Neil Godfrey

http://exposingreligionblog.tumblr.com/post/20626660699

Making a declaration that the majority thinks this or that, simply is not proof.

Amazing reference of christian apologetics and apologists: 

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/christianity/apologetics.html

Christian Apologetics – Fundamentally Flawed

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/circus.html

Review of Lee Strobel THE CASE FOR CHRIST

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel-rev.html

Robert Price - The Case Against The Case For Christ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxh0pC6CT7Q

McDowell’s “Evidence” for Jesus - Is It Reliable?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html

99% of the time, who becomes a theologian or bible scholar?

Indoctrinated religious believers. People who are already programed to believe christianity and the jesus story.

What do theologian  and bible scholars do for a living?

They work for religious institutions who write their paychecks. Bible scholars often teach or give speeches about their christianity. Why would the majority of bible scholars claim there was a jesus? There is obvious biased and by paid bible scholars who may tip the majority scale in their religion’s favor. This does not make the jesus story a fact. Remember, around 80% of America claims to be christian. The authenticity of the jesus story is not decided by democracy.

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Christian apologists: “ALL New Testament scholars unanimously agree that Jesus existed.” Really? QUOTES FROM A FEW SCHOLARS ABOUT JESUS

Although apologist scholars believe that an actual Jesus lived on earth,the reasons for this appear obvious considering their Christian beliefs. Although some secular freethinkers and atheists accept a historical Jesus (minus the miracles), they, like most Christians, simply accept the traditional view without question. As time goes on, more and more scholars have begun to open the way to a more honest look at the evidence, or should I say, the lack of evidence. So for those who wish to rely on scholarly opinion, I will give a few quotes from Biblical scholars, past and present:

~QUOTES FROM A FEW SCHOLARS ABOUT JESUS:

 When the Church mythologists established their system,they collected all the writings they could find and managed them as they pleased. It is a matter altogether of uncertainty to us whether such of the writings as now appear under the name of the Old and New Testaments are in the same state in which those collectors say they found them,or whether they added,altered,abridged or dressed them up.

-Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)

“As a historian I do not know for certain that Jesus really existed, that he is anything more than the figment of some overactive imaginations….In my view, there is nothing about Jesus of Nazareth that we can know beyond any possible doubt. In the mortal life we have there are only probabilities. And the Jesus that scholars have isolated in the ancient gospels, gospels that are bloated with the will to believe, may turn out to be only another image that merely reflects our deepest longings.”

- Robert W. Funk, Jesus Seminar Founder and Co-Chair. (From The Fourth R, January-February 1995.)

The world has been for a long time engaged in writing lives of Jesus… The library of such books has grown since then. But when we come to examine them,one startling fact confronts us: all of these books relate to a personage concerning whom there does not exist a single scrap of contemporary information — not one! By accepted tradition he was born in the reign of Augustus,the great literary age of the nation of which he was a subject. In the Augustan age historians flourished; poets,orators,critics and travelers abounded. Yet not one mentions the name of Jesus Christ, much less any incident in his life.

-Moncure D.Conway[1832 - 1907] (Modern Thought)

It is only in comparatively modern times that the possibility was considered that Jesus does not belong to history at all.

-J.M. Robertson (Pagan Christs)

Many people— then and now— have assumed that these letters [of Paul] are genuine,and five of them were in fact incorporated into the New Testament as “letters of Paul.” Even today,scholars dispute which are authentic and which are not. Most scholars,however,agree that Paul actually wrote only eight of the thirteen “Pauline” letters now included in the New Testament. collection: Romans,1 and 2 Corinthians,Galatians, Philippians,1 Thessalonians,and Philemon. Virtually all scholars agree that Paul himself did not write 1 or 2 Timothy or Titus— letters written in a style different from Paul’s and reflecting situations and viewpoints in a style different from those in Paul’s own letters. About the authorship of Ephesias,Colossians,and 2 Thessalonians,debate continues; but the majority of scholars include these,too,among the “deutero-Pauline”—literally,secondarily Pauline— letters.”

-Elaine Pagels,Professor of Religion atPrincetonUniversity,(Adam,Eve,and the Serpent)

We know virtually nothing about the persons who wrote the gospels we call Matthew,Mark,Luke,and John.

-Elaine Pagels,Professor of Religion atPrincetonUniversity,(The Gnostic Gospels)

Some hoped to penetrate the various accounts and to discover the “historical Jesus”… and that sorting out “authentic” material in the gospels was virtually impossible in the absence of independent evidence.”

-Elaine Pagels,Professor of Religion atPrincetonUniversity

The gospels are so anonymous that their titles,all second-century guesses,are all four wrong.

-Randel McCraw Helms (Who Wrote the Gospels?)

Far from being an intimate of an intimate of Jesus,Mark wrote at the forth remove from Jesus.

-Randel McCraw Helms (Who Wrote the Gospels?)

Mark himself clearly did not know any eyewitnesses of Jesus.

-Randel McCraw Helms (Who Wrote the Gospels?)

All four gospels are anonymous texts. The familiar attributions of the Gospels to Matthew,Mark,Luke and John come from the mid-second century and later and we have no good historical reason to accept these attributions.

-Steve Mason,professor of classics,history and religious studies atYorkUniversityinToronto(Bible Review,Feb. 2000,p. 36)

The question must also be raised as to whether we have the actual words of Jesus in any Gospel.

-Bishop John Shelby Spong

Many modern Biblical archaeologists now believe that thevillageofNazarethdid not exist at the time of the birth and early life of Jesus. There is simply no evidence for it.

-Alan Albert Snow (The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read)

But even if it could be proved that John’s Gospel had been the first of the four to be written down,there would still be considerable confusion as to who “John” was. For the various styles of the New Testament texts ascribed to John- The Gospel,the letters,and the Book of Revelations—are each so different in their style that it is extremely unlikely that they had been written by one person.

-John Romer,archeologist & Bible scholar (Testament)

It was not until the third century that Jesus’ cross of execution became a common symbol of the Christian faith.

-John Romer,archeologist & Bible scholar (Testament)

What one believes and what one can demonstrate historically are usually two different things.

-Robert J. Miller,Bible scholar,(Bible Review,December 1993,Vol. IX,Number 6,p. 9)

 

When it comes to the historical question about the Gospels,I adopt a mediating position— that is,these are religious records,close to the sources,but they are not in accordance with modern historiographic requirements or professional standards.

-David Noel Freedman,Bible scholar and general editor of the Anchor Bible series (Bible Review,December 1993,Vol. IX,Number 6,p.34)

Paul did not write the letters to Timothy to Titus or several others published under his name; and it is unlikely that the apostles Matthew, James,Jude,Peter and John had anything to do with the canonical books ascribed to them.

-Michael D. Coogan,Professor of religious studies atStonehillCollege(Bible Review,June 1994)

A generation after Jesus’ death,when the Gospels were written,the Romans had destroyed the Jerusalem Temple (in 70 C.E.); the most influential centers of Christianity were cities of the Mediterranean world such as Alexandria,Antioch,Corinth,Damascus,Ephesus and Rome. Although large number of Jews were also followers of Jesus,non-Jews came to predominate in the early Church. They controlled how the Gospels were written after 70 C.E.

-Bruce Chilton,Bell Professor of Religion atBardCollege(Bible Review,Dec. 1994,p. 37)

James Dunn says that the Sermon on the Mount,mentioned only by Matthew,”is in fact not historical.”

How historical can the Gospels be? Are Murphy-O-Conner’s speculations concerning Jesus’ baptism by John simply wrong-headed? How can we really know if the baptism,or any other event written about in the Gospels,is historical?

-Daniel P. Sullivan (Bible Review,June 1996,Vol. XII,Number 3,p. 5)

David Friedrich Strauss (The Life of Jesus,1836),had argued that the Gospels could not be read as straightforward accounts of what Jesus actually did and said; rather,the evangelists and later redactors and commentators,influenced by their religious beliefs,had made use of myths and legends that rendered the gospel narratives,and traditional accounts of Jesus’ life,unreliable as sources of historical information.

-Bible Review,October 1996,Vol. XII,Number 5,p. 39

The Gospel authors were Jews writing within the midrashic tradition and intended their stories to be read as interpretive narratives,not historical accounts.

-Bishop Shelby Spong,Liberating the Gospels

Other scholars have concluded that the Bible is the product of a purely human endeavor,that the identity of the authors is forever lost and that their work has been largely obliterated by centuries of translation and editing.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”Who Wrote the Bible,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

Yet today,there are few Biblical scholars— from liberal skeptics to conservative evangelicals- who believe that Matthew,Mark,Luke,and John actually wrote the Gospels. Nowhere do the writers of the texts identify themselves by name or claim unambiguously to have known or traveled with Jesus.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

Once written,many experts believe,the Gospels were redacted,or edited,repeatedly as they were copied and circulated among church elders during the last first and early second centuries.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

The tradition attributing the fourth Gospel to the Apostle John,the son of Zebedee,is first noted by Irenaeus in A.D. 180. It is a tradition based largely on what some view as the writer’s reference to himself as “the beloved disciple” and “the disciple whom Jesus loved.” Current objection to John’s authorship are based largely on modern textural analyses that strongly suggest the fourth Gospel was the work of several hands, probably followers of an elderly teacher inAsia Minornamed John who claimed as a young man to have been a disciple of Jesus.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

 

Some scholars say so many revisions occurred in the 100 years following Jesus’ death that no one can be absolutely sure of the accuracy or authenticity of the Gospels,especially of the words the authors attributed to Jesus himself.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The catholic papers,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

Three letters that Paul allegedly wrote to his friends and former co-workers Timothy and Titus are now widely disputed as having come from Paul’s hand.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The catholic papers,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

The Epistle of James is a practical book,light on theology and full of advice on ethical behavior. Even so,its place in the Bible has been challenged repeatedly over the years. It is generally believed to have been written near the end of the first century to Jewish Christians… but scholars are unable conclusively to identify the writer.

Five men named James appear in the New Testament: the brother of Jesus,the son of Zebedee,the son of Alphaeus,”James the younger” and the father of the Apostle Jude.

Little is known of the last three,and since the son of Zebedee was martyred in A.D. 44,tradition has leaned toward the brother of Jesus. However,the writer never claims to be Jesus’ brother. And scholars find the language too erudite for a simple Palestinian. This letter is also disputed on theological grounds. Martin Luther called it “an epistle of straw” that did not belong in the Bible because it seemed to contradict Paul’s teachings that salvation comes by faith as a “gift of God”— not by good works.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The catholic papers,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

The origins of the three letters of John are also far from certain.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The catholic papers,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

Christian tradition has held that the Apostle Peter wrote the first [letter],probably inRomeshortly before his martyrdom about A.D. 65. However,some modern scholars cite the epistle’s cultivated language and its references to persecutions that did not occur until the reign of Domitian (A.D. 81-96) as evidence that it was actually written by Peter’s disciples sometime later.

Second Peter has suffered even harsher scrutiny. Many scholars consider it the latest of all New Testament books,written around A.D. 125. The letter was never mentioned in second-century writings and was excluded from some church canons into the fifth century. “This letter cannot have been written by Peter,” wrote Werner Kummel,aHeidelbergUniversityscholar,in his highly regarded Introduction to the New Testament.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The catholic papers,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

 

The letter of Jude also is considered too late to have been written by the attested author— “the brother of James” and,thus,of Jesus. The letter, believed written early in the second century.

-Jeffery L. Sheler,”The catholic papers,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

According to the declaration of the Second Vatican Council,a faithful account of the actions and words of Jesus is to be found in the Gospels; but it is impossible to reconcile this with the existence in the text of contradictions,improbabilities,things which are materially impossible or statements which run contrary to firmly established reality.

-Maurice Bucaille (The Bible,the Quran,and Science)

The bottom line is we really don’t know for sure who wrote the Gospels.

-Jerome Neyrey,of the Weston School of Theology,Cambridge,Mass. in “The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report,Dec. 10,1990)

Most scholars have come to acknowledge,was done not by the Apostles but by their anonymous followers (or their followers’ followers). Each presented a somewhat different picture of Jesus’ life. The earliest appeared to have been written some 40 years after his Crucifixion.

-David Van Biema,”The Gospel Truth?” (Time,April 8,1996)

So unreliable were the Gospel accounts that “we can now know almost nothing concerning the life and personality of Jesus.”

-Rudolf Bultmann,UniversityofMarburg,the foremost Protestant scholar in the field in 1926

The Synoptic Gospels employ techniques that we today associate with fiction.

-Paul Q. Beeching,CentralConnecticutStateUniversity(Bible Review,June 1997,Vol. XIII,Number 3,p. 43)

Josephus says that he himself witnessed a certain Eleazar casting out demons by a method of exorcism that had been given to Solomon by God himself— while Vespasian watched! In the same work,Josephus tells the story of a rainmaker,Onias (14.2.1).

-Paul Q. Beeching,CentralConnecticutStateUniversity(Bible Review,June 1997,Vol. XIII,Number 3,p. 43)

For Mark’s gospel to work,for instance,you must believe that Isaiah 40:3 (quoted,in a slightly distorted form,in Mark 1:2-3) correctly predicted that a stranger named John would come out of the desert to prepare the way for Jesus. It will then come as something of a surprise to learn in the first chapter of Luke that John is a near relative,well known to Jesus’ family.

-Paul Q. Beeching,CentralConnecticutStateUniversity(Bible Review,June 1997,Vol. XIII,Number 3,p. 43)

The narrative conventions and world outlook of the gospel prohibit our using it as a historical record of that year.

-Paul Q. Beeching,CentralConnecticutStateUniversity(Bible Review,June 1997,Vol. XIII,Number 3,p. 54)

Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence,not because of it.

-C. Dennis McKinsey,Bible critic (The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy)

The gospels are very peculiar types of literature. They’re not biographies.

-Paula Fredriksen,Professor and historian of early Christianity,BostonUniversity(in the PBS documentary,From Jesus to Christ,aired in 1998)

The gospels are not eyewitness accounts

-Allen D. Callahan,Associate Professor of New Testament,HarvardDivinitySchool

We are led to conclude that,in Paul’s past,there was no historical Jesus. Rather,the activities of the Son about which God’s gospel in scripture told,as interpreted by Paul,had taken place in the spiritual realm and were accessible only through revelation.

-Earl Doherty,”The Jesus Puzzle,” p.83

Before the Gospels were adopted as history,no record exists that he was ever in the city ofJerusalemat all— or anywhere else on earth.

-Earl Doherty,”The Jesus Puzzle,” p.141

Even if there was a historical Jesus lying back of the gospel Christ,he can never be recovered. If there ever was a historical Jesus,there isn’t one any more. All attempts to recover him turn out to be just modern remythologizings of Jesus. Every “historical Jesus” is a Christ of faith,of somebody’s faith. So the “historical Jesus” of modern scholarship is no less a fiction.

-Robert M. Price,”Jesus: Fact or Fiction,A Dialogue With Dr. Robert Price and Rev. John Rankin,” Opening Statement

It is important to recognize the obvious: The gospel story of Jesus is itself apparently mythic from first to last.”

-Robert M. Price,professor of biblical criticism at the Center for Inquiry Institute (Deconstructing Jesus,p. 260)

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